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Welcome to the Pine Home Wildreness Skills and survival forum! I would like you to know a few things before gatting started. 1: We dont enjoy dealing with anti-government types. We all have our opinions and thats fine but here we talk about survival and desaster prep. not black helicopters and men in black..or the gub-ment comming to get us.2: Spamming is not allowd...we get enough jumk e-mail and snail mail, dont post unsolicited advertisements. Frank and honest reviews and reccomendations of a particular company or product are ok.3) No flaming. We are here for discussion, not fighting, if you want to fight, I have a matched pair of sabers you can borrow,,you pick the place and please clean them before returning them to me...in all seriousness, this is a place to discuss wilderness skills and survival, leave your personal beef at home. (unless its porterhouse...then pass the A-1!4)While I dont care if you say the occasional "colourful metaphore" I would appreciate it if you all watched your language...now this is not preschool..we are adults so just keep it to a minimum...5) We will stand no racial, religious or sexual bigotry here...period!